The Belmont County Priest is Innocent?

Here go again with a man of the cloth getting accused of sexual abuse. Before I go into my rant on this my first question would be, why it took 16 years for this woman to come forward in the first place. From time to time, and more often in recent years, these type of allegations have surfaced against religious leaders and it has been by people who claim the events took place years ago sometimes as many as 20 years or more. Sexual abuse can be difficult to come to terms with emotionally and for most they, the victims, tend to want to forget it ever happened. I can not claim to know what goes on in someone's head who has been a victim, but I am sure it is not pleasant, but why would you not step forward sooner? In some cases like, and I am not saying this one particularly, accusations are made to simply destroy a person out of spite or vindictiveness. In a case like this regardless if it is true or not the accused always suffers even if he or she is innocent.

Now on to the whole story, first here is the official position of the church:

STATEMENT OF BISHOP R. DANIEL CONLON DIOCESE OF STEUBENVILLE REGARDING REV. GARY A. ZALENSKI NOVEMBER 17, 2007

Effective today, I have withdrawn Father Gary A. Zalenski, who is currently serving as Pastor of Sacred Heart Parish in Neffs, Ohio, from active ministry, as the result of a credible allegation of his having sexually assaulted a minor in 1991. He may not present himself as a priest or carry out any public function as a priest. Within a few days he will move from the rectory at Sacred Heart to a private residence of his own choosing.

The allegation was brought to the Diocese of Steubenville by a woman who was a young parishioner at Saints Peter and Paul Parish in Lore City, Ohio, where Father Zalenski was pastor at the time. All information about the matter obtained by the diocese has been communicated to the Guernsey County Prosecutor.

The matter will be referred to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, an office of the Holy See in Rome, for further action. This could take some time. In the meantime, Gary Zalenski will remain a priest of the Diocese of Steubenville, and the diocese will provide material assistance to him as needed.

This matter is being handled in full accord with the "Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People", which was adopted by the Catholic bishops of the United States in 2002, the "Essential Norms", which are special laws approved by the Pope for the United States to deal with child abuse, and the Diocese of Steubenville's "Decree on Child Protection".

As for Sacred Heart Parish in Neffs, I have appointed Monsignor Gene W. Mullett as Temporary Administrator, along with his other duties, and have asked him to provide special pastoral care to the people in this difficult moment. Monsignor Mullett is pastor St. Michael and St. John parishes in Bellaire.

This is all very painful. I am angered that a young member of the Church was apparently violated. I am embarrassed that the offender was a brother priest. I am troubled that absolute certainty about the matter is probably beyond my reach, and yet I must act. I grieve that two parishes and two families are thrown into turmoil.

In such a situation I look to Jesus on the cross. He took our sins and our brokenness upon himself and became the source of our healing.

Any person who has been sexually assaulted as a minor by a priest or other representative of the Diocese of Steubenville is encouraged to contact the diocese at 740-282-3631 as well as any local law enforcement agency.

Now whether or not the priest is guilty or not will be determined by a court of law. Unfortunately with all the news of sexual abuse by clergy it may be difficult to get a fair trial no matter what. All the evidence has not even been presented and Bishop Zalenski has even stated "....as the result of a credible allegation of his having sexually assaulted a minor in 1991". C'mon – who in the hell even made him the judge in this matter and what credible evidence. While I understand the No Tolerance for ANY sexual abuse by clergy and the agreed upon policy implemented by the Catholic Bishops in the United States, which they did just to satisfy the Vatican, I do not believe this priest will even get a fair trial. This is one area where the separation of church and state does apply for a change. One problem that will arise from this matter and that is not matter what the outcome – the Church itself will still go on just fine as if nothing happened and citing it Sexual Abuse policy for protection. Civil litigators looked at how the policy affected the church's liability. Legal experts say that while the new policy would not affect criminal cases, it will likely have an impact on the church's civil liability because it represents an effort to keep abusive priests away from children. How much the church's liability in the hundreds of lawsuits it is facing will be affected, though, remains to be seen. Will the new policy shield bishops and the church from abuse that took place in the past? How will the policy affect current lawsuits? Will the policy limit the church's liability in future cases of abuse, or has it opened it up to more exposure because priests will not be automatically defrocked? These are all question that anybody interested in this case should consider. The case will involve the priest an not the church and if this priest is found guilty the church is still protected, How Convenient

I personally could care less about the Catholic Church, but in a case like this where sexual abuse is involved by a member of the cloth and the church does little more than just remove the individual in question and release a letter of apology is appalling. I am not sure which is worse, the alleged crime or the poor stance and apparent ignorance of the Catholic Church, just to protect their own interests an assets. Faith no longer exists but the almighty dollar lives on and that is what it will all boil down to.

Comments
Jeannie's Gravatar Sometimes when an act like this is committed against a very young person, they don't come forward simply out of fear. It's a very scary place to be and the thought of having to tell ANYONE and explain in detail is even scarier....not to mention the thought that they may not even believe you? Anyway, I have been horrified by the Catholic religion for a long time. I was raised Catholic and as a young adult I realized that they change their beliefs depending upon how much money they can raise if they appease some people. I also think it's disgusting just how many priests have committed horrendous acts against children...and yet, I sit and think...the Catholic religion forbids them from EVER having a romantic relationship or ANY type of sexual activity in their lives. How would that effect most people? I mean if you REALLY...HONESTLY...sit and think about it, that is a lonely life, and I'm sure it could do a hell of a number on your mind REGARDLESS of your beliefs. It is not human nature to spend life alone.....no matter HOW devoted to God you are. I just think that the Catholic Church needs to rethink some of their rules and regulations for the clergy members and maybe.....JUST MAYBE....there wouldn't be so many awful incidents. Please don't feel as if I am criticizing anyone for being Catholic...these are just my views on these issues and everyone has their own.
# Posted By Jeannie | 11/20/07 2:04 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar I would like to explain to the #1 poster. I have worked with survivors of sexaul abuse by priests for over 4 years. We have learned that it is extremely rare for a survivor to make up a story about a priest. Who would want to go through that, and WHAT would they have to gain.... by making a false statement? You have just proved the reason why it takes so long for victims come forward with their abuse, especially when it was done by a priest. They are not believed.. this is the horror of it all. I have a question for you to think about. Is it better to keep quiet, and let the abuser continue to abuse other children, maybe your own or is it better to report it, and let the truth be known? Yes, this priest's name is tarnished, but the child's life is tarnished forever to the point where many have committed suicide. The horror of abuse by priests within the Catholic church, espeically in the Steubenville diocese is much worse than you can even imagine I congratulate this victim for getting her strength to let the public know. Also, you forget, this victim will not have her chance in court, because of the statute of limitaions.. what other reason could she possibly have for reporting it.. than to get the truth out, and protect others from being abused. Every survivor whom I have ever talked to.. and I have talked to many.. they always say, "they never want another child to have to go through what they went through." Also, I would like to add, if anyone else has been abused by this priest, please contact your local law enforcement. This abuse has got to stop. Our children will never be safe until the whole turth comes out. Thank you, Judy Jones Steubenville SNAP leader, 636-=433-2511
# Posted By Judy Jones | 11/25/07 2:43 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar I would like to comment to the people who think they don't understand why a victim doesn't come forward when the abuse occur. Will there are many reason for this, first depends on how young the victim is at the time, also some can't figure out what has happen to them until later because the abuse is so traumata that they don't understand what is happening to them only they know something happenthere bodies were hurt sometimes over and over, also you must know that people used to think of the Priests as God , so if they did try and tell who do you think would beleive them. people never read the Bible in the Catholic Church because they were told they coudn't understand it, who could't understand God plan of salvation that is all that is necessary to believed in order to obtain Heaven and if this is done all the rest will follow because you have made a committment to God and repented of your sins and ask Jesus in your heart and mind. One doesn't need to have the same ritual every Sunday just pray and try to do the right thing that is why we have a concious. I have a family member who was sexually abuse and he intend to carry it to his grave without telling anyone but another family member. until he could no longer keep quiet , he took drugs and nearly killed hisself many times. he was in his 40"s when he told us and it happened when he was 9 years old. yes your are right they do try and keep the abuse quiet, but I can tell you from experience that it is not the thing to do only after two years of therpy has this man been able to go on with his life . I can't tell you the Hell we went through as a family not knowing what was wrong with this member , we took him to the Cleveland Clinic when he was 10 years old to see what was wrong with him and they couldn't even tell us only that a very traumata thing had happen to him . so you see it is hell no matter how you size it up . If Gary Zalenski is innocent I say the truth will come out, I can't think Bishop Conlon would do anything to one of his Priests if there wasn't proof , He has did a lot of things I don't like such as not helping the one who has been abused by the Priests in the Steubenville area after the statue of limituation. What we need to do is let the law take care of this and be thankful that not another child can be abused .Unless a person has been abused No one can know what the horrible things that one goes through and the family as well , I know from experience you never get over it because the violation that has occur especially when you trust one of the Cloth is forever with you . Maybe our legislators will set up and take notice over this and realize it works both ways. That is why we tried so hard to get Senate BILL 17 passed . Wake up dear people of God we need to protect our children . Thank you Helen Schoeppner Co Leader of SNAP Marietta,ohio
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 11/25/07 10:52 PM
Claudia Vercellotti's Gravatar RE: waiting to come forward -- research shows that young children, adolescents and even young adults are more often than not, simply incapable of coming forward sooner. Research also shows that victims of sexual crimes 'try to forget it' as a way of 'compartmentalizing' or 'coping.' But, what exactly does that have to do with anything? This is like being pregnant, you are or you are not...it shouldn't matter when the victim was capable of coming forward or even why they didn't. To walk down that path is to do nothing but place (however unintentional) some onus upon the victim. The liability, the culpability only lies in 2 places: the wrongdoer (in this venue the church leader against whom credible allegations exist) AND the church officials that provided him/her with cover (ie, drove the get-away-vehicle). At the end of the day, these two give all the 'good priests' black eyes and cast aspersions on all clergy by not 'outting' those against whom credible allegations exist. RE: Victimizing an innocent person with allegations... It is difficult for an innocent adult to recover from being wrongly accused and there is no excuse for falsely accusing another of a sexual crime. However, least we forget even the USCCB's own lawyers concede that less than 2% of all allegations are deemed 'not credible'. That doesn't excuse the false allegations, but puts them in more perspective. The church lawyers found that the false allegations trend mirrors the secular trend. But, least we forget that it's far easier (though still difficult) for an innocent adult to overcome being wrongly accused, than a child who was sexually assaulted to not be believed.... Maybe your focus should be on those in positions of power and authority who continue to provide cover for those who sexually assault kids -- we all know that child predators lead dual secret lives and gravitate towards jobs where they have an instant passport of credibility into the lives of kids, where they can prey upon them, with unfettered access and viritually go unnoticed as they emmesh themselves into the lives of families. But, how does that explain church leaders who provide them cover, secretly moving them from place to place telling no one? You opened your blog with wondering why people wait so long to come forward. Perhaps your own inquiry as to why people wait, instead of how this could have happened and what can we do to ensure that it happens to no one else, is a better question -- as the former does nothing to protect kids now and only serves to place blame in the wrong place...
# Posted By Claudia Vercellotti | 11/26/07 12:50 AM
Rose's Gravatar Come on people. The Diocese of Steubenville has 8 million dollars for a new Cathedral. The woman's father is in prison. Do you not think that this would have something to do with her reporting him now? What about 2002 she was an adult? People were coming out of the wood work banning together against the priest that did them harm, why not come out then. No, she waits till there is 8 million in the bank. I have known Fr. Zalenski for many years. This has ruined his reputation and stopped a man who takes his ministry very seriously not to be aloud to practice until this is over. If this evidence is creditable then why would the Guernsey County Prosecutor say he has nothing to go on. The Bishop should have handled this in a different manner. Fr. Zalenski is a very honorable, ethical man who dedicates his life serving the people of God in a positive.
# Posted By Rose | 12/2/07 11:04 AM
Karen J. Nagy's Gravatar While I appreciate that you care for this man, you cannot say unequivocally that he isn't guilty of this, and while I believe most fervently that we as individuals are innocent until proven guilty, it is also of paramount importance that vulnerable children MUST be protected. Our church and its leaders have tragically failed to do this all too often in the past. Although the prosecutor may not "have enough to go on", it is evidently enough to remove this priest from service. A little heads up, Rose--you may live with someone and still have no idea what's going on. Trust me on that one.
# Posted By Karen J. Nagy | 12/4/07 6:55 PM
Rose's Gravatar I do understand what you are saying; yes children do need to be protected. People are going by what was reported on the television not the full facts. I strongly feel the bishop was wrong in the way he handled this matter. Perhaps it is because of the way people automatically think a priest is guilty because someone gives accusation. Lets look at some of the teachers in the Ohio Valley a few years ago who were accused of child molesting and when they went to court the girl confess that the teacher did not pay attention to her and now she has his attention. This has happened to a teacher in Bellaire and Martins Ferry. If you knew Father Zalenski you too would know that he is innocent. If you had all of the facts you too may feel differently. People cannot and should not judge on a partial story, wrong conclusions are drawn from not knowing the full story. The people of Neffs want Fr. Zalenski back; do you know that the Bishop wants to close the little church in Neffs? Do you know there has been a struggle with the people not to close the church? Without a priest the church will fall apart, any church would fall apart without its leader. All we can do is pray that Fr. Zalenski returns before Christmas.
# Posted By Rose | 12/9/07 2:31 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Rose, I understand you can't believe that your priest could do such a horrible thing to a child. I understand that you do not wish for your little church to be closed. I also understand that you too, do not have all the facts. I have a question, would you want Fr Zalenski back in your little church if he is not so innocent, if children there could be at risk? I would suggest that you pray for the truth to be known, and healing for the victims who have been abused, and for the safety of our children. I too, do not believe that Bishop Conlon handled this situaton correct, he should have removed this priest the very first time that an allegation was reported against him. Let the courts handle this, and please be open minded towards the victims. Also, I would suggest that you educate yourself, and read about what has been exposed just within the past five years about how the church hierarchy has mishandled thousands of sex abuse allegations of priests. Yes, it is not pretty, and it is hard to accept, but keeping your eyes open and your mind open will only protect you and your/our children. Some good books to read and videos are: "Deliver Us From Evil" by Amy Berg (dvd) "Sex, Priests, and Secret Codes: The Catholic Church's 2,000-Year Paper Trail of Sexual Abuse" by Father Tom Doyle. (book) "Lead Us Not Into Temptation: Catholic Priests and the Sexual Abuse of Children" by Jason Berry (book) "Sin, Shame, And Secrets: The Murder of a Nun, the Arrest of a Priest, And Cover-up in the Catholic Church", by David Yonke (book) http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/ (the abuse tracker has posted everyday on the internet, all the latest news stories of abuse) I thank you for your comments. Peace, Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 12/9/07 2:13 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar Rose and people of God, Just who is the leader in the Roman Catholic Church ?I think that it must be the POPE every thing goes to him he makes the laws in the Roman Catholic Church and he changes the laws. So therefore he must be your leader. Jesus said in the Bible do not take aways or do not add. The pope of many years ago decided that when you die you go to purgatory where ever that is I haven't found no mention of it in the Bible but here the Roman Catholic Church teaches it. sound good doesn't it just like a lot of false teaching to comfort people sound good. Why don't we just read the Bible and then we shalll know. and better yet , no one in there right mind would accuse a Priest of molestion if it weren't true, No way . with all the protection they have had and still have, Perhaps if we would let Jesus be the leader of the church we wouldn't have the problems we have , because Jesus is not in a building , nor would he be there for the blessed communion which they say only a Priest can do , do you think he would be with a Priest who is molesting a child, I think not. Helen Schoeppner SNAP co/Leader
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 12/9/07 8:31 PM
no face's Gravatar First let me say I know how difficult it is to see a hero fall. I was 14 when Gary Zalenski took my innocence, in more ways than just physical. I was raised to kiss the ring of these so called holy men. no one can understand the influence the catholic faith had on the viewing of a priest. my family was raised to believe that priest were infalable not just the pope. Why did I stay silent? because I was told by the offender that I would be taken from my catholic school, of only 12 kids per class that I had spent 10 years with. also that my parents and grandparents would have to leave the church. I BELIEVED HIM. And do you know what happened when I finally spoke up. The catholics of Lore City ran me and my two young children out of town. They threatened to picket my work place . they attacked me verbally in front of my children in public places. I wonder do they ever think of what they did to me. What I feared the most, and my reason for my silence came true because of narrow mindedness also many of my family turned their backs on me because they so deeply to their souls cannot seperate God and his true loving nature and a HUMAN with all the faults God allows us to have. I have found Gods love not in a catholic church, but in the friends and my husband who love me. I pray that all who believe one way or the other on these matters can agree that we are wonderfully and fearfully made by a power way way better than all this. for Zalenski, I say MAN UP! Tell the truth. God is good but sometimes life isn't .
# Posted By no face | 1/2/08 3:24 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Hi noface, I am so sorry that you were treated like dirt. You absolutely did not do anything wrong and you absolutely did not deserve such uncaring treatment. Of course you were silent, of course you were just a kid. I know exactly how the brainwashing worked, I also was raised to believe that the priest was god. Thank you noface, for your courage and for posting this message. I admire you. Stay tuned, and please contact me or the SNAP hot line, if you would like to talk. Your privacy will be respected. You are not alone, and now you are a brave adult who has the support of your loving husband and many, many other survivors who do believe you. We are here for you, if you wish. Your truth is the one thing that you have. Thank you.. you have no idea how much your message is appreciated by so many. Judy Jones.. SNAP. Southeastern Ohio, 636-433-2511 leader.http://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_regional_offices/snap_local_mid_us.htm#oh http://www.snapnetwork.org/
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/2/08 10:42 PM
Claudia Vercellotti's Gravatar Rose - your arguments re: Zalenski remind me of the Michael Jackson trial when commentators around the country were debating if the kid who alleged sexual crimes had a mother who was a gold digger or if Michael Jackson was really guilty. The simple fact: both could be true, couldn't they? The kid's mother could have been a gold digger AND Michael Jackson could have been guilty. Simply put: those are not mutually exclusive concepts. In the case of Zalenski, the kid's Dad could be in prison and the kid could have been telling the truth. The bit about 8million in the bank, is equally short sided. The church has had a lot of money for a long time. Why come forward now? Isn't it possible that the adult felt safe enough to finally speak up? Is it possible that this victim, like so many fear if they don't speak up, they bear some culpability for another child being hurt? Research shows that often times there is a 'flash point' that is something that ignites within a victim to compel them to speak up. Often times, this is referred to as a 'triggering point' -- it could be an event the victim witnesses, something they read, something they see (ie, on tv), having a child, having a child that is now the age they were when abused... there are many triggering points -- could this be bogus? Sure, but I implore you to simply recall the USCCB's own lawyers and their assessment that less than 2percent of all claims are unfounded which mirrors the secular trend. Arguably, 2 percent is 2 percent too much -- no doubt -- but your leap of logic for Zalenski's 'good' name, clearly rooted in your admiration for him, really underscores why kids don't come forward. A more pointed question might be to the Bishop, to release all records, all documentation, all correspondence regarding every cleric against whom credible allegations of clerical sexual abuse have existed. The most pointed question to the Bishop is WHEN did they know and WHY didn't they report to police and prosecutors immediately -- especially if they have nothing to hide? It begs the question WWJD - What Would Jesus Do?
# Posted By Claudia Vercellotti | 1/3/08 3:08 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Press Release: For first time, woman who was molested as child speaks out publicly Man who sexually abused her is a recently suspended Catholic priest She files police report and urges others “still suffering in shame” to come forward Self help group assures others who are hurting that “you are not alone & you can heal” Anyone who has suspected or suffered abuse by clerics should call police, SNAP says WHAT At a sidewalk news conference, a clergy sex abuse victim whose perpetrator was recently suspended (from active parish duty as a Catholic priest) will --- disclose her name/identity and speak publicly for the first time, ----describe her experiences (including her just-filed police report), and ----urge anyone else who saw, suspected or suffered abuse by the cleric to come forward, get help, and contact law enforcement WHEN Monday, Jan. 7th, 11:30 am WHO A former southeastern Ohio woman who was sexually abused by a recently suspended priest along with two or three clergy sex abuse victims and their supporters who belong to a support group called SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAPnetwork.org) WHERE Outside the Guernsey County Sheriff's Office, 601 Southgate Parkway, Cambridge in OH WHY In 1991, the then 12 year old girl was sexually abused by her then-parish priest, Fr. Gary A. Zalenski at St. Peter & Paul parish in Lore City. This past summer she reported that abuse to Steubenville Catholic officials. In November, Zalenski was publicly suspended from his assignment by Bishop Daniel Conlon. The victim and SNAP members urge anyone who has any information or suspicions of sex crimes or inappropriate behavior by Zalenski to come forward, get help, and call the police. SNAP has reason to believe that others were assaulted by Zalenski and have yet to break their silence. Zalenski also worked at Guernsey Central Catholic High School (1978) and St. Benedict Church (1978-82), both in Cambridge, at St. Mary Church in St. Clairsville (1983), at Corpus Christi Church in Belle Valley (1987-91), and St. Joseph Parish and St. Lawrence Parish in Ironton (1998). He was officially listed as ‘absent on leave’ three times, in 1985-86 at St. Anthony parish in Bridgeport OH, in 1992-93 at St. John’s parish in Bellaire, OH, and again in 1999. During at least one of his “leaves,” Zalenski apparently lived with his parent’s at 419 N. 9th. St., Martins Ferry, OH. For the last seven years, he’s been at Sacred Heart in Neffs. Zalenski, now 56, was ordained in 1977. The victim is a Columbus native who also lived in Cambridge and has been living outside the country. http://www.daily-jeff.com/news/article/2882911 CONTACT Judy Jones, Southeastern Ohio SNAP Director, 636-433-2511 home/cell Helen Schoeppner, SNAP Steubenville Director, 740-568-8213 cell David Clohessy of St. Louis, SNAP national director 314-566-9790 cell Barbara Dorris of St. Louis, SNAP outreach director 314-862-7688 home
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/5/08 7:23 PM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar Rose, I don't understand why you pointed out that this courageous young woman's father is in prison. Her father has been in prison for a decade and a half. You also point out that the Steubenville diocese has 8 million dollars; the criminal statute of limitations is not expired, but the civil statute of limitations has. This means that she cannot receive any money at all from this case. She reported the abuse to the church at the time of abuse, and he was supposedly removed from ministry. She came forward when she was made aware that he was still serving as a priest, and more importantly, when she found out he was working with a youth group. Nice going, guys.
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/7/08 7:19 PM
Amy M.'s Gravatar Wait a minute... SNAP members are all concerned about protecting the ALLEGED victim's privacy, yet one of them posted Fr. Zalenski's parents' home address in a comment? Please stop acting like you're so compassionate and concerned about anyone. This witch hunt is painful. In grade school and high school, I had to interact with both the accuser's family and with Fr. Zalenski (working very closely with Fr. Z. at Sts. Peter & Paul while I was in high school). I will still say, all these years later, that in terms of stability, sanity, and credibility, Fr. Zalenski was and is the believable party and a wrongly accused man. He is the victim here.
# Posted By Amy M. | 1/7/08 9:09 PM
Amy M.'s Gravatar I also find it sad that the Diocese of Steubenville is asking for people to come forward with any further information about "alleged" abuse by Fr. Zalenski or any other priest. Perhaps I could be less disgusted with the Powers That Be in Steubenville if they also asked for those who know Fr. Zalenski well to step forward and vouch for him and for his character. I learned firsthand, however, as a teenager protesting in 1991 when Fr. Z. was unjustly pulled from Sts. Peter & Paul that then-Bishop Albert Ottenweller and his footsoldiers didn't care to hear from hurt parishioners who wanted to stand up for our priest. Apparently Old Al's tradition has been passed down to his successors.
# Posted By Amy M. | 1/7/08 9:17 PM
no face's Gravatar Do not disrespect a past Bishop by calling him old Al. Than jump on your high horse about being a good judge of character. where is your character? You were raised better than that.
# Posted By no face | 1/8/08 2:44 AM
Amy M.'s Gravatar I was raised very well by parents who taught me not to get caught up in lies, to stand up for the innocent, and to tell the truth in the face of gossip. This whole thing is so painful for me because I grew up in the Steubenville Diocese and saw firsthand what some corrupt priests got away with, mostly because they were friendly with Bishop Ottenweller. (Is anyone out there familiar with what occurred at Holy Trinity in Byesville for decades under that now-deceased pastor?) I’ve known Fr. Zalenski since grade school and the rest of my family has known him even longer. We stand behind him and have a difficult time watching priests who just aren’t good people being allowed to act any way they desire, while a good man like Fr. Zalenski is harassed.
# Posted By Amy M. | 1/8/08 3:14 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar I find it very sad that people are bad mouthing the victim that was abused by Gary Zalenski, This beautiful young lady has been through enough with dealing with the abuse. Also I might add there is another brave person who has also been abused by Gary Zalenski. So bad that she was ran out of town with her childern, now do you people call this being a Christian ? You know you people sound like you are in the hills and don't know what is going on in the world . Priests and Nuns and Brothers, Deacons have been abusing kids for the last fifthy years or more. and the head of the mafita which is the Catholic Instution knew all about it. Plus they have been able to buy the Law off with your moneyHa Ha. Time will tell when it goes to court and it will then we will see who is the one lieing. Helen Schoeppner Co / leader of SNAP
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 1/8/08 8:51 PM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar Amy, just because you admire and believe you know this man doesn't make him innocent. This young woman has nothing to gain and everything to lose by filing her report. Gossip?? That alone should give her credibility. Your anger at the hierarchy and the way the heirarchy carries out its tasks doesn't make Zalenski innocent, either. The reason SNAP and the diocese are asking other victims to come forward is because these men cannot limit themselves to one or two victims. You really need to educate yourself about this issue. I suggest you watch the documentaries "Hand of God" and "Deliver Us From Evil", and read the books "Lead Us Not Into Temptation" and "Perversion of Power". If you aren't willing to educate yourself, keep your mouth shut and leave the victims alone.
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/9/08 3:11 AM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar As an added point of clarification, Amy, you can emotionally support this man without attacking the victim.
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/9/08 3:17 AM
bystander's Gravatar Why are people so defensive over what “Amy M.” wrote? As I’ve read the string, I’ve picked up on a lot of pain… and irrationality. It doesn't seem like SNAP members don’t seem to want to hear from anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
# Posted By bystander | 1/9/08 11:53 AM
bystander's Gravatar I meant SNAP members don't seem to want to hear from anybody who doesn't agree with them.
# Posted By bystander | 1/9/08 11:55 AM
Woody's Gravatar Karen, Judy and Helen: You seem very quick to believe the accuser’s story but even quicker to condemn/vilify the priest.
# Posted By Woody | 1/9/08 2:56 PM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar Perhaps I didn't express myself well. It seems to me that our viewpoint is the mirror image of "Woody", "Bystander", and Amy's; you seem very quick to condemn the victim, and just as quick to defend the priest. Any rebuttal to that?
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/9/08 6:53 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar To Amy M, No Amy people don't know what goes on in most Parishs But we do know that there are a lot of corrupts Priests and like any other org. if they kiss the right person A-- they can get by with most anything. I do not know but would like to know what happen at Holy Trinity in Byesville Ohio for decades. and probably alot of other people would also. But most of the time only certain people know the corruption with in the church, however with the news coverage we now have , we are able to get some of the details , But this Sex abuse that has been going on in the the Catholic org.has got people attention and it is not going away, and it hasn't stopped. They want us to beleive that they have it under control but that is not the case, I for one feel that this case against will play out in the courts and then we will know for sure,so Amy hang in there and keep as we must all do and remember Jesus is in control my Best Helen Schoeppner
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 1/9/08 8:19 PM
Woody's Gravatar I guess I didn't express myself very well, either. I wasn't trying to make anybody mad or come off as accusatory. I'm trying to understand why it's "OK" for people to defend the girl and her story but it doesn't seem to be OK when anybody wants to say something in that priest's defense. Really, can somebody help me understand that better? Thanks.
# Posted By Woody | 1/9/08 10:36 PM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar I'm not sure, Woody, because I really don't believe any case should be tried in the press, but I think it may have something to do with a large number of victims not being believed or thought to be credible in the past. It may be a case of the pendulum swinging back the other way. Either way, I believe it is wrong; the victim shouldn't automatically be branded a liar, and the priest shouldn't automatically be presumed guilty. The problem with the latter is that the Church has, repeatedly, with horrific results, failed miserably to protect its most vulnerable members, and so, while I'm not entirely comfortable with it, I believe as a parent that the priest must be removed from any contact with children whatsoever while the case is being investigated. Sadly, this still isn't being done, even after billions of dollars in settlements and continual proof of coverups at the highest levels of the Church. It's fine with me personally if a person defends any priest, but my hope was that one can do that without attacking the victim. Also, the point I guess I didn't make clear was that just because the man is likable and personable doesn't mean he is innocent; don't assume innocence because you cannot picture him doing such a thing. That's a very dangerous attitude, as any victim and any victim's parent could tell you firsthand. Do we think all child molesters LOOK like child molesters? Or that they act like child molesters? If that were true, no children would be molested. Ever.
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/10/08 12:02 AM
Soothsayer's Gravatar This blog was started by “admin” on 11/20/07 about a month and a half ago. The questions then were several and most have been addressed. What seems to be the bottom line is “who do you believe?” Persons close to Fr. Gary Zalenski feel an injustice is being perpetrated. Persons sexually abused by adults, or persons related to persons sexually abused by adults feel a criminal has been exposed and is about to face his consequences. Regardless of the camp you are in, there is a “truth” to be faced. Sexual abuse survivors and their supporters must face the fact that we are a society of laws and that accused persons are supposed to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. And supporters of the accused must face the mounting facts of previous cases where the Catholic Church officials have been found to have obfuscated the facts, deliberately and insensitively intimidated victims and their families, and sinfully sought to preserve their “money lender” prominence in society at the expense of harmed and humiliated children placed into their trusted and loving care. Yes, Fr. Zalenski needs to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, but his record alarmingly matches that of previously found guilty cleric. The long history of Leaves of Absence curiously coincide with dates of reports of sexual abuse to the diocesan officials. Apparently the church hierarchy saw and heard enough information to have pause in their unwavering support of their emissary. As much as friends and supporters of Fr. Zalenski may wish to condemn the Bishop, the Church, even the Pope, for their apparent abandonment and condemnation of his career and mission, they need to know that the Church hierarchy is almost always in possession of far more information and evidence than any lay or mortal person. The Church hierarchy does not act frivolously nor precipitously. They can’t. If they did every priest would leave the Church because they would know that their employer not only does not support their work but in fact actively monitors their activities looking for something to “hang” them on. The Bishop and the counsels to the Catholic hierarchy are not faultless but they are struggling to take accountability seriously.
# Posted By Soothsayer | 1/10/08 1:05 PM
Amy M.'s Gravatar I’ve stayed quiet and not posted for a couple of days because I felt attacked by people replying to what I wrote. I want to thank Soothsayer for reminding us all that there must be proof either way, whether it shows Fr. Z’s innocence or indicates truth in the accuser’s story. I’ve been so upset by people not even wanting to entertain the idea that Fr. Zalenski didn’t do what he’s been accused of. I’ve only said things in my posts that I would say to anyone face to face. I don’t want to put anyone on the defensive; I just ask that you read this and see what it truly says: I don’t defend Gary Zalenski out of blind admiration, and I was well acquainted with the accuser and her family. In my posts, I never “verbally attacked” someone I had never met just because Father is a friend of mine and of my family. I spent my very important and formative high school years building a great professional and personal relationship with him. I spent the same time working with and around the accuser’s family because of our involvement in parish life at Sts. Peter & Paul. Her dad was a reader and she and her brother were altar servers while I was a leader in music ministry (yes, in high school). Because of the time I had to devote to practicing and preparing music, I spent hours alone in the church. I was never uncomfortable with Fr. Z. around. If anything, I felt safe from any danger because he was there. Nothing inappropriate ever happened and if my parents thought there was even a chance of that, they never would have allowed me to work there. I only ask for reason and calm as we all post to this blog and not to be left feeling “talked down to” or scolded.
# Posted By Amy M. | 1/10/08 3:57 PM
Karen Nagy's Gravatar Well Amy, I'm all for reason and calm, heaven knows, but I didn't use the phrase 'witch hunt' or other inflammatory words, but we'll let that go. I'm sorry you felt talked down to and attacked; that was never my intent. It is obvious that you are justifiably distressed about these accusations, having served with this man. I don't believe every priest is guilty just because he IS a priest and I can (and have) entertained the notion that this man may very well be innocent. However, the converse is also true, and I find myself outraged by the past and present treatment of victims, not the least of which continues to be the almost constant, in almost every case, accusations of emotional instability and lying. There may very well be inconsistencies in her story, but there are also classic signs of trouble in this priest's ministry. I am able to see both of these sides and only seek to point that she may be telling the truth. It seemed to me that you were unable to entertain that idea. Also, and I really don't want to upset you further, but I feel I have to point out that even though you spent time alone with Fr. Z without having suffered a molestation, that may be because you weren't as vulnerable as others may have been. You may not have 'fit his profile', if you get my meaning. I mean this only as a possibility, that's all. By the way, I would be interested to know what happened in Byesville.
# Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/11/08 1:29 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar To Noface, 636-433-2511 tks, Judy Jones
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/12/08 11:28 AM
Soothsayer's Gravatar Amy, thank you for returning to this blog. Your input is very important. I would like to address something you posted earlier: ”This whole thing is so painful for me because I grew up in the Steubenville Diocese and saw firsthand what some corrupt priests got away with, mostly because they were friendly with Bishop Ottenweller. (Is anyone out there familiar with what occurred at Holy Trinity in Byesville for decades under that now-deceased pastor?)” Since the Boston revelations of 2002, the public has been able to witness first hand that the first, and apparently exclusive, response of all Bishops when confronted with criminal activities committed by persons under their “command” is to cover-up the actions and protect the “Church.” Keep secret the corrupt and abusive priests and the organization. The institutional church is all that is important, not the faithful members, not the “children of God.” This is the way they have handle it, and since you were raised catholic, you most likely know that nothing bad was ever to be said about a priest, nun, cleric or the church. These church leaders were most likely also taught this when they were young. This was done at all cost to protect their image and the image of the Catholic Church. I believe you when you say, corrupt priests got away with it. But we are living in a different, more open world today thanks to a free press and victim advocate organization like SNAP. SNAP’s mission is to stop this terrible abuse that has gone on for so many, many years. What could be more noble? Innocent children and vulnerable adults should never be harmed, used, abused nor threatened into silence ever again. SNAP tries to accomplish this through exposure of predators. Have you another, more effective way to bring a stop to a predator’s abuse? Victims of priest abuse say time after time…they do NOT ever want a child to go through what they have had to endure. Surly you do not want a repeat of what Beth Rocker claims happened to her? This is why she came forward to file her case; the Church told her that they had “handled” the situation. She found out otherwise last summer. Amy, you sound as if you want the same end result. If so, if you have any information of corruption or abuse by any priest, dead or alive, please come forward. Please contact police, please contact SNAP, we are all looking for a safer world for our children and protection from sexual predators of vulnerable persons. SNAP is working to let Catholics know the real truth of what they have been living with. It is hoped that when Catholics learn what has been secretly going on in their church, and I emphasize THEIR church, they will want to get the abuse of children stopped. Don’t be deceived. It is still going on. Very little has really changed in the way the dioceses have handled these charges, especially in the Steubenville Diocese. They keep ignoring victims’ reports of abuse, and they still move abusive priests to other parishes without notifying the new parish of the danger within their mix. All persons of good will need to ban together and help. We all want the truth, no gossip, only truth. As regards Judy Jones; I know Judy Jones. She grew up in Woodsfield, Ohio, was the oldest of 11 kids, 9 of those kids were girls, 2 were boys. Father Robert A Brown was the serial abuser in that town. His harm to children spanned over fifty years. Judy’s sister has been quoted as saying, “the only reason that we were spared from this man, was that we just happened to be girls.” Fr Brown abused boys. That is very sad, “the only reason that we were spared, is because we happened to be girls.” Judy says that she would have made the perfect victim for some priest. She fit one aspect of “the profile” to a tee: unquestioning faith in the virtue of priests. In Brown’s case she failed the gender prerequisite. Karen Nagey is right, Amy, you are very lucky. You did not fit Fr Zalenski’s “profile”, at least on all criteria. It may have had to do with what your parents and you said in confession; you may have been too much of a risk for Zalenski. You did say that “nothing inappropriate ever happened and if my parents thought there was even a chance of that, they never would have allowed me to work there.” Perhaps Fr Zalenski knew of your parent’s close monitoring and no nonsense view…who knows? For whatever reason, you were not targeted by a predator when you were growing up. Lucky you. But I hope you can accept, sadly, that not all children have been as lucky as you. I know it is very hard to have an open mind about your priest, so that is why it would be very good if this case goes to trial. If he is innocent, we all will know. If he is guilty we all will know. The Guernsey county courts will handle it. This is the best way for all. It is a rare occasion that any survivor OR perpetrator gets there day in court. The imposition of statute of limitations has prevented this. That is what is sad. Let’s look forward to the future of this event. Maybe we will all know the truth.
# Posted By Soothsayer | 1/12/08 1:02 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Amy, I have learned that from catholic directories who was pastor at Holy Trinity in Byesville. Byesville, Holy Trinity Pastor for 42 years, William C. Yontz, ord. 1950, died 12/06 at age 82, Please contact me if you have information of anyone being harmed, or anything illegal.. Yes, the diocese has covered up tons of stuff, and they are known for protecting bad priests. We are looking for anyone who has been harmed by a clergy. If anyone was harmed or sexually abused the Zalenski or any priest in the Steubenville diocese (dead or alive) please contact police. It does not matter how long ago the abuse took place, you need to contact police, it is a crime. If you would like to talk to any other survivors of abuse, please contact SNAP, http://www.snapnetwork.org/ or check out our new web site: http://www.steubenvilletruth.org/ You are not alone, Judy Jones, SNAP southeastern Ohio .. 636-433-2511
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/16/08 1:03 PM
mmouse007's Gravatar I went to Holy Trinity Elementary School in Byesville, Ohio and I knew Father Yontz too. He was a creepy person to say the least. I went to school with the victim. Amy M. is M part of your last name (married or non-married name?) or just middle intial? If you want to say of course that is? I was a member of St. Peter and Paul Parish is Lore City, Ohio too and I don't remember you or your activity in the Music sector of the church. Next, I do not see the correlation between having a parent in prision and the sexual abuse coming forward about it in public? It is unfortuante that in today's American society many children are forced into children's services or adopted because they have one or more parents in prision or have been murdered for some reason or another. It was not the child's fault? I doubt any child wishes these harsh facts on a parent? Further more, 8 million dollars for a new cathedral is crazy, how do you even know that this young lady is either still intune with the Catholic Church or how much they spend on their buildings? Besides the young lady didn't commit the murder of her mother that was her father's doing and sin and problem for the rest of his life sentence, so why would she need the money anyway? She is very successful, independent, world-traveled, well-educated, has also received numerous awards and national and international honors as well as student-athlete recognitions through high school, college, and post-college. She has been the keynote address speaker for many national and local organizations to fundraise and support children who have been traumatized or are "at-risk" kids. She has truely dedicated her life to helping others and compassionately, caring, endless amount of love and devotion, organized energy to the causes she chooses wisely in her life. Have you seen this incrediable young woman's resume or website lately? It's totally outstandingly awesome. To the next topic, I'd like to know who Rose is? what relation do you have to the victim, her family, church, etc.? Another thing I wanted to comment on is that this is the 21st century and there is www.whitepages.com for people's info such as: addresses and phone numbers, so anyone could have the access to Father Zalenski's parent's address,etc. not hard to come by these days thanks to technology advancements and the internet. Thanks and have a blessed day. Peace, Hope, and Love to all in the world. G-d we need it more than ever, please redeem us soon, with the next world to come. Amen. Halleyulah. Selah. Shalom. Salaam. Hotep. E Pluribus Unum. Latin for "Out of the Many One."
# Posted By mmouse007 | 1/21/08 12:37 AM
Amy's Gravatar If you're Beth's age, you're about six years younger than I am and would have been between the ages of maybe 8 and 12 when I was in high school and serving as the organist at Sts. P&P. I don't mean anything by this, but you were probably just too young to be paying much attention to who was in the back of the church on the organ bench. I sure didn't pay attention to certain things when I was a kid. ;) Anyway, I dedicated four solid years to serving at Sts. P&P because Fr. Zalenski invited me to play there when he heard that Msgr. Yontz had locked Holy Trinity's organ on me, told me I wasn't good enough to play, and then lied to people about me talking back to him and being disrespectful. Thank God people were in the rectory the day he told me I wasn't to touch that organ again and they vouched to others for how I, an 8th grader at the time, handled myself, how I spoke calmly and nicely to Msgr. Yontz, and that I didn't cry in front of him. (I managed to keep it together until I was away from him!!!) In the following years, when people would request to have me as the organist for weddings or funerals at Holy Trinity, he would tell then, "Amy has left the Church." I NEVER left the Church; I left the parish that he was killing. I couldn't believe he would say that. At the same time, I wasn't surprised. As more people told me and my family the things the monsignor said about me, I just said, "It's OK. Sts. Peter & Paul is home now and Fr. Zalenski is probably why I'm still Catholic." Fr. Zalenski knew I was a hurt kid and he wasn't about to let a mean, miserable, angry old man get me down, so he invited me to play in Lore City. I gave four solid years of high school in that parish's music ministry, gave every summer home from college, and even traveled more than two hours one-way to sub when needed after I left the area. I received far more than I gave! Almost 20 years after I started playing at Peter & Paul, I'm STILL grateful to Fr. Zalenski and I always will be.
# Posted By Amy | 1/23/08 11:18 PM
noface's Gravatar Amy is by as far as I can see the very same person that verbally Attacked me while she was working in a fast food store. In PUBLIC and in front of my two small children and other customers. No I take that back my kids were on the other side of the door, and only asked Mommy why was that girl yelling at you and why are you crying. And she herself admits to protesting against me in Lore City. (would a truely holy man ask people to do that, and I know for a fact F. Z did ) I too grew up in Holy Trinity, and have a COMPLETELY different take on Msgn Yontz. Should I yell and scream that Amy is a liar? NO BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE. Maybe Msgn did treat her poorly, how could I know for sure ? Just because my parents were married in that church by Msgn Yontz And think he was a great man. And my uncle, a special needs man was treated like a younger brother for 40 years, and welcomed into Msgn Yontz's home and made to feel important, and watched over, and personally checked on by Msgn if he missed a day in church, much to my families relief, Msgn Yontz had at times used his own car, and own money to take my uncle to the store, and at times to the Dr. He was an angel to my family, my Grandparents Still attend Holy Trinity and have been aided and supported by msgn Yontz on numerous occasions through the years. I have two older siblings that attended Holy Trinity each for 8 years as did I, and all my cousins as well, do any of them share in Amy's feelings NO. But is AMY a liar? How would I know? Would I ATTACK Amy in public, or at all? NO. BECAUSE I WAS NOT THERE and AMY NEITHER WERE YOU! An attacker does attack EVERYONE, just those he chooses, as said before Maybe you were just Blessed not to be his type. Take that be thankful and live and let live. My proof IS substantial , and I CAN BE PUSHED TOO FAR . I HAVE TAKEN A LIE DECTOR TEST, AND PASSED , WHY WON'T HE? Tried in the public there are many sides, taken to God there is only the truth. I have had enough from those of you who do not KNOW, yet allow yourselves to be brain washed. Has anyone ever said that everything the man has ever done was wrong NO, has it been said that the man has made mistakes and done wrong YES. Amy has every sin you have ever committed been witnessed? yet they are still sins, are they not?
# Posted By noface | 1/24/08 3:44 AM
Amy's Gravatar I remember that day and now, as an adult and a parent, I know that I was out of line. I was an 18 year-old kid, shaking with anger when I saw you, and I didn’t use my best judgment in that confrontation.
# Posted By Amy | 1/24/08 3:55 PM
ellie214's Gravatar I have just finished reading (actually instensely scanning) these blogs. It is only as I shift my attention from my reading, that I realize my stomach is churning and my pulse is racing. I witnessed much of what went on for many years in Byesville. Much like so many other parishioners at Holy Trinity, my parents and brothers and sisters bowed to the authority of the Church and the inherent respect believed to be due a priest. I also watched as that loyalty and respect were trampled upon, and witnessed the pain my family experienced from the events that took place over the course of some 50 years. Priests truly do deserve respect and admiration as they strive to live a life devoted to God and the people whose spiritual needs they vow to shepherd. In the case of Byesville, I feel that any good intentions of a man of God were superseded by the wiles and trappings of being a human being FIRST. People forget that there is more to abuse than the physical or sexual. Verbal and emotional abuse can wound a person spiritually, and cut more mortally yet remain secret (forever sometimes). There are many, many examples I could reference first hand because they did occur with my family. However, those events are in the past. My parents lived in a state of grace and dignity to the best of their ability; my brothers and sisters are all still strong in their faith and active members of the Catholic Church as am I. God the Father knows all and sees all. Let Him take care of any transgressions that occurred in the parish of Holy Trinity in Byesville. Pray for the victims and pray for the soul of a miserable and lonely MAN who sat on S. 5th Street for over 50 years. I also know Fr. Zalenski from St Benedict's and St. Peter & Paul. I find it very hard to believe the allegations brought against him recently or in those of many years ago. I do recall the some of the other leaves he took, but not that there was any inkling they were because of impropriety on his part. Fr. Zalenski is also a human being FIRST before being a priest. Just as a priest can fall into or create bad situations for themselves and others, they must care for those obligations in their personal life. Fr. Zalenski's parents have been mentioned in more than one of these blogs. Did anyone ever stop to think that he may have taken a leave from his responsibilities as a priest to care for them in an illness or tragedy? Has anyone every considered that Fr. Zalenski himself may have been ill? Fr. Z is a man of a quick dry wit, fair logic, intelligence and great compassion. I am very familiar with the accusers. (I use the word accusers, for that is the only thing that is certain for now. Being a victim is a claim.) In turn, Fr. Z is the accused (that is also the only thing we know for sure) not a predator as he has been publicly labeled. In my recollection, I found the accusers to be troubled individuals, one expressing bitterness and defense as of a wounded animal, the other somewhat disturbing and unsettling to be around because you could sense that something was very much awry in their life. I'll express no other opinion, because that too is what it is. I pray for all involved in this situation. For SNAP, that they never lose sight of what their true mission should accomplish. For the accusers, that they find peace in the rest of their lives. For Fr. Zalenski, that a good man and a good priest be cleared. And finally, for true justice and the grace to accept the truth when it has been determined.
# Posted By ellie214 | 1/24/08 5:16 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar To all who have been hurt, and there seems to have been a whole lot of hurt done to innocent kids. Amy, yes you have also been hurt, and you have your truth and no one can take that away from you. The same goes for noface and for Beth Rocker, they have their truth and no one can take their truth away. This discussion is amazing, and it sounds like it is time for this to be happening. The neat thing is: we all are not those little kids anymore. We are all grownup and we can now get through our fears, we can now speak our truths, and we can most certainly question what is right and wrong. We can now even question all of the “thou shalt nots”,the reverence, the holier than thou acceptance of priests, who were the grownups back then. We can even question the lies, the cover ups, and the awful abuse of power, and brainwashing that were shoved down our throats during our younger years of innocence. We are now at least equal to those who had power over us, whether they be a priest, bishop, or even our own parents. “Has anyone ever said that everything the man has ever done was wrong NO, has it been said that the man has made mistakes and done wrong YES. Amy has every sin you have ever committed been witnessed?” Amy, noface is correct. SNAP, an organization of over 8000 survivors, has repeatedly experienced noface’s statement to be very true. These priests who prey upon vulnerable children and adults are very skilled at leading dual lives. They have most often been very accomplished in overcompensating for their evil deeds by also doing good and well meaning deeds. This is how the church has succeeded for so long in hiding their sexual abuse crimes. This is also why this sex abuse within the catholic church has become such an epidemic. Several years ago, my mother decided to quit learning. The truth was too much for her to accept, so she made the choice that “you can know too much”. I do not respect her for that. She was only protecting herself from her own feelings. She was not interested in knowing the truth. Now that we are all grownups, please do not take the easy way out. I do not believe that god intended for us to stop learning until we take our last breath. Keep getting educated, and don’t quit until you all know the truth. I am posting some web links, please educate yourselves. Yes, it is true, seemlingly good holy men do molest little kids. They are sick and they are manipulative and they are threatening and they are abusive. They need to be put in jail, so that they can not harm another child again. As of yet, there is NO cure for pedophiles. The only cure is the truth. Noface, please do not stop telling your truth. You are not alone anymore, and it would not at all surprise me that there are still many victims of Fr Zalenski who are needing to tell their truth also. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/ Also, a good book to read, which is written by a priest ( Fr Tom Doyle). "Sex, Priests, and Secret Codes" Please keep telling your truths. Our children are counting on us. Judy 636-433-2511 ps: ellie214 .."I found the accusers to be troubled individuals". Your statement is totally uncalled for, if you have never been sexually abused by a priest, please, you have absolutely no authority on this subject. What child on this earth would NOT be traumatized, and driven to even suicide because of having been so violated? Like I said before, get yourself educated, please.
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/24/08 6:23 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Amy, I admire you...I can not speak for noface, but she definitely deserved to hear your words of acknowlegment. This too was needed. Keep up the discussion, and please keep an open mind. Especially since you too, have children. We all have our truth, and we all need each other. Thank you, Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/24/08 6:35 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar http://reform-network.net/?p=1318 Keep on loving and learning! Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/24/08 9:25 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar cut and past this web link (below) into your url. and then get educated, this is outstanding. Tom Doyle is outstanding. http://reform-network.net/?p=1318
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/24/08 10:15 PM
Amy's Gravatar I fully admit that I wasn't very wise in confronting "noface" 16 years ago. I do, however, want to clarify that we were outside of the business without other customers around and that I asked her to step aside with me because, as I said to her, "I don't want to say anything in front of your kids..." Then I said what I wanted and needed to say. I may have been unpleasant about it, but I wasn't yelling at her. I did, at least, have enough common sense and composure to not yell. I bring this up to expel anyone's mental pictures of a teenage girl screaming over a counter in front of paying customers. I also want to clarify that when our group protested at the Diocesan office, we were not protesting against noface. We were protesting becuase our pastor was pulled from the parish without explanation. Questions posed to the bishop in writing went unanswered and our group's organizers hoped for a brief meeting with the bishop to get some answers for a hurt, confused parish. He would not meet with even two of our parish council members. Instead, we watched as the bishop walked out a back door of the office building and had a driver take him away.
# Posted By Amy | 1/24/08 11:56 PM
noface's Gravatar Amy , I apprieciate your attitude. You have matured so much and should be very proud of yourself and your accomplishments, I am proud of you, I know how hard that intrespection can be. I am sorry for any pain you ,may have experienced at holy trinity, I know that good memories, as well as bad are sometimes just luck of the draw. It sounds to me as if You were a very good organist, and didn't deserve any sad moments for your labor for the Lord, only praise that you were willing to help. Even though I do not hold the same memories I do not rule out there possibility for you. Now, your were behind the counter at your work place, customers, no customers, I could not dare to say, for all I could think of were those lillte ones who couldn't understand why since they ate, now they couldn't go back in and get their ice cream , that was our deal , now we ate, and the rules change? So I took them down the street to get their ice cream, a deal is a deal. However not to belabor that point. I , after all these years was brought to tears by your post. Thank you. Not that I think you feel any differently, but that you acknowledge me as a person , you were young and lacked judgement that comes with age. I too was young, when all this began, and that is how I think that I fell into this trap that has tried to curse my life and has caused so much pain in my life. I am an adult, and I see it for what it is. Or Was. People make mistakes, people sin. I sin , but we all have the same goal, Heaven and to be with our Lord. There is grace, that is why Christ died for all of us. All of Us , the sinners and the saints. There is no glory in this. Why would anyone believe it to be a lie. It is a painful road. why would I or anyone else choose this? I still only 2 months ago was snubbed by someone who I went to school with for 12 years of my life. whom I admired, whom I played basketball, volleyball, and softball with, and now I am nothing. I feel she probably wrote one of the above posts. I so looked up tro her and thought of her as a friend. And now I don't have all the memories that other people take for granted. class reunions? No I do not get invited to them. Or family wedding vow renewals I do not get invited to those . Even funerals I am an out cast. I suffer every day while this goes on and I would of all people love for this to go AWAY. I ran away, just to make it stop, I moved away to make you so called ( Christians? ) go away and try to make a life for my children. And only when it stopped did I move back. I deserve my family too. I want to live here where I grew up, where my family is. But in peace and not be attacked. I thought it safe, or I never would have returned to this place where so called Christians say such terrible things about one another. Did I want this to happen, NOW? NOW that I am happy? NO. NO I did not. I died all over again when I saw the newpaper. The paper that my husband hoped I would not have to see. I cried , I screamed. I begged God to take this cup from me. But Beth Suffers and she has a right. no one else. She is a person and She has a right I have never met Beth in person but I know her pain and if this is what she is brave enough to do, than I stand behind her. I only feel remorse that I am was not as strong as she. And that I permitted myself to be bullied at that time in my life. If I had stood up when I should have , this would not have had to happen to her and her brother. And for that I am truely sorry. and I beg her and her brothers forgiveness, And for All the others that could have been spared. I know I was not the first, and I'll bet Beth was not the last. I do not look at anyone poorly , I know that there was limited information available to you, and at times almost deceiving information. I love and forgive anyone, and everyone, who has ever intentionally or unintentionlally ever caused pain.
# Posted By noface | 1/25/08 4:34 AM
ellie214's Gravatar I apologize for the phrasing that I used when I wrote how I remembered these two people WHEN I KNEW THEM many years ago in Byesville, Ohio, at Holy Trinity Church and School, at Guernsey Catholigh Central before any of these alleged incidents took place. It was judgmental and uncalled for and I ask for their forgiveness for being so insensitive, however, not uneducated. I would also like to say, so that there is no confusion or misinterpretation, that our family's experience with Fr. Yontz did not involve sexual abuse. What went on at Holy Trinity for so many years is over and done with. Telling anyone now ("By the way, I would be interested to know what happened in Byesville. # Posted By Karen Nagy | 1/11/08 1:29 AM ") would only be gossip or reporting to SNAP any illegal acts would be a moot point because he is deceased and his soul is in the Hands of God. No Face, I do remember how involved your uncle was in and around the parish. I am pleased to hear that he was so watched over by Fr. Yontz. I believe though he was one of the exceptions who was met with lasting benevolence rather than disdain.
# Posted By ellie214 | 1/25/08 11:35 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Noface, thank you so much for sharing your painful story with us. We all needed to hear it, and you may feel guilt for not doing more when you were young, but please don't beat yourself up any more. Noface, you have been beat up enough in your life, and it is time to give yourself a huge hug. A person can only come forward about being abused by a priest when they are ready, not a minute sooner. Too many victims of priest abuse have committed suicide, not so much for the original abuse, but later because of the re-abuse, of not being believed, of being shut out, of being ignored, and of being told that they were the only ones, by the church hierarchy. Noface, Beth, and any survivors of priest abuse only deserve our complete respect, nothing less. We were all raised to worry about WHAT people thought of us. Appearance was everything, and if we didn't look pure and holy and obedient we for sure would be chastised and treated like dirt. I had to move away from Woodsfield, Ohio when I was 18 years old in order to grow up. I have learned that it just doesn't matter about appearances, and what people think of you. It only matters what you think of yourself. This was a very hard thing for me to learn. I had to undo a whole lot of brainwashing. Ellie214, I can tell you that Karen Nagey was right in asking for any info about Yontz. For some reason people think that since a priest is dead, it doesn’t matter anymore if they have done something illegal. Please keep in mind, it doesn’t matter how long ago something happened, it should still be reported to law enforcement. No one wants gossip, we/SNAP only want truth, but please, it is those who have been quiet who have enabled all this abuse to continue. We are working to stop kids from being harmed. Please, the secrets have got to be told in order to stop the corruption. Please read the links that I have posted before. Fr Tom Doyle has dedicated his life to victims and the protection of children. Please don’t stay silent, especially about abuse or anything illegal, it all connects. Most often the victims of anything illegal are still alive and suffering. Thanks to all, Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/25/08 2:32 PM
NOFACE's Gravatar Troubled individuals! one expressing bitterness and defense as of a wounded animal, the other somewhat disturbing and unsettling to be around. Do you know that the first abuse the I endured took place in 1982. Did I change after that I would wager I did. And Beth when she was what 10? Could YOU HAVE seen first hand what abuse looks like in a childs face. Wounded Animals. NO BROKEN CHILDREN
# Posted By NOFACE | 1/25/08 3:02 PM
nonface's Gravatar correction 1981, I was so upset while typing that last note I didn't take time to proof read for type errors
# Posted By nonface | 1/25/08 3:18 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar To Noface, You are a very dear and brave person, I don't know you but sure would like to, Because I would like very much to fight your battle with you. Because I know what you have gone through and what you are still going through. God Bless you . Helen Schoeppner
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 1/25/08 4:16 PM
ellie214's Gravatar Again, I apologize for my having offended you. I am not referring to either of you after what happened. I am referring to what I recall from being in grade school with you, long before 1981. My contact with Beth was later and I was an adult, but it was some time before her mother was klled. There truly was no malice in the comment.
# Posted By ellie214 | 1/25/08 4:18 PM
IAP's Gravatar Was noface Fr. Zalenski's housekeeper in the early 1990s?
# Posted By IAP | 1/25/08 4:32 PM
ellie214's Gravatar No Face. I think that a better way to describe how I remember you when we were kids was defensive. It probably didnt' help that I don't think we ever really liked each other all that much either. I truly do wish you peace and healing.
# Posted By ellie214 | 1/25/08 4:41 PM
Helen Schoeppner's Gravatar My goodness did Fr Zalenski have a house keeper? I never knew that. The Inquirer
# Posted By Helen Schoeppner | 1/26/08 7:09 PM
mmouse007's Gravatar who are you ellie214? how do you know Beth? And yes Father Zalenski did have several housekeepers.
# Posted By mmouse007 | 1/26/08 7:37 PM
IAP's Gravatar Lots of priests in Guernsey County had housekeepers or cooks. Why is it so surprising about Fr. Zalenski? Maybe it's not as common in other areas?
# Posted By IAP | 1/28/08 4:42 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar I have been trying to post on this blog today.. but can't seem to make it work. Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/29/08 12:13 AM
Tepes's Gravatar What kind of problems were you having, Judy, while attempting to post? We have had a few issues with our sites today but nothing that should have prevented you from posting.
# Posted By Tepes | 1/29/08 1:50 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Hi IAP, your bringing up the question about Zalenski housekeepers is interesting to me. And it sounds like that Zalenski must have had several housekeepers. This brings up several memories for me. While I was growing up in Woodsfield, our priest, Fr Brown had a housekeeper. I remember her name as Rose, she was always alone, sat in her seat in church, seemed quiet, and must have lived and died carrying many, many secrets to her grave with her. If I am correct, she lived at the rectory, so I can’t even imagine that too much passed by her unnoticed. I do believe that back then, it was a common practice to let things seem to go unnoticed, but for sure were kept silent. Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/29/08 12:04 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes, I was able to post part of my story, but can't make it work to finish. Tks, Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/29/08 12:21 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes, are there certain characters or words that are not allowed to be posted? I'm still having trouble posting..Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/29/08 1:49 PM
Tepes's Gravatar Some character combinations do cause problems with soem blog systems such as ours. Usually combinations with quotes (" or ') or others that contain the and symbol (&)
# Posted By Tepes | 1/29/08 2:23 PM
Peek a Boo's Gravatar As much as I know most all the older Priests had housekeeper, Some of them played a great role in the Priest life as well as the members of the Church. The understanding I had that they were the next thing to there wifes, Oh boy I had better watch out what I say here.
# Posted By Peek a Boo | 1/29/08 10:15 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Story continued. In August of 2006 that rectory in Woodsfield had been torn down.
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/30/08 12:51 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes, there seems to be a small window of opportunity for posting. Something is not working, wondering if you have an address that I can send my post, so that you can post it on this blog? Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/30/08 12:06 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes, it doesn't make sense that I can post to you, but can't post anything else? Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/30/08 12:10 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes, is this blog done? I hope not.. Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/31/08 10:18 PM
Tepes's Gravatar Done as in a finished product or done as we are closing it? If you are referring to it being a finshed product, NO it has some bugs and we are doing th ebest we can to work out all the kinks - like your issue where you can post some stuff but not others (THAT MAKES NO SENSE). So no its not done as in a finished product - if you are sasking if it is done as in we are going away - DEFINITELY NOT - this thing is just getting started (hence the bugs)
# Posted By Tepes | 1/31/08 11:07 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes.. Oh good.. this blog has become very important and kind of a life-line for survivors.and many who have been carrying a whole lot of bagage for many years... thanks for your help...and wishing you the best to rid the bugs.. so we continue.....Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 1/31/08 11:59 PM
Jeannie's Gravatar Judy? Is there not a website dedicated to SNAP? I really have no idea and I'm curious now because there really SHOULD be a place online for survivors of abuse and those who are out there to listen and help. The internet has become such an amazing source for nearly EVERYTHING, and if it's lacking in something so important..then I think something should be done to change that! I KNOW that typing and being behind a keyboard instead of face to face makes it easier for some people to come forward and talk about things that they might be hesitant to talk about in a different setting, so that being said.....I'm very curious as to what is actually out there on the world wide web for this type of thing, and most especially....what is there on the net for these types of situations right here in our valley?
# Posted By Jeannie | 2/1/08 1:27 AM
Tepes's Gravatar I was not aware that this blog became so important and a life line. Doesn't the SNAP Network have support forums and blogs like this to help survivors cope? I am glad I can offer a place for people to come and vent anonymously but I never imagined it was so important to people. I will do my best to get the bugs worked out and continue to offer this BLOG to whoever needs to vent or get something off of their chest.
# Posted By Tepes | 2/1/08 1:28 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Tepes and Jeanie, HI... Yes, we can move this discussion to the snap web site.. the reason that this was so important is because no one from this my area of Ohio ever writes on that site and a lot don't know that snap even exists.. this news about Zalenski has created this blog.. and therefore created a discussion, finallhy. It has been very difficult to get anyone to even know that there is help for survivors.. I now live in St Louis, and I have been trying for 4 years to speak and to get others to speak, yes I do have reason to believe that the clergy abuse has been thick and rampant in southeastern ohio.. I have always felt it is because of the small town atmosphere, etc.. So thanks for this blog. you have open up a can of worms that has been festering for years. Tks, Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 2/1/08 10:04 AM
Tepes's Gravatar Glad I can help and glad this blog has managed to get peopel to open up in our area. I will gladly keep this running if for no other reasosn than to help with this issue. If the blog helps at least one person then it was well worth it.
# Posted By Tepes | 2/1/08 11:56 AM
Judy Jones's Gravatar thank you so much.. Judy
# Posted By Judy Jones | 2/1/08 12:13 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar For anyone wishing more infomation about 'SNAP' these are some web sites for you to check out. http://www.snapnetwork.org/ http://www.steubenvilletruth.org/ Also, I would like to extend an invitation to anyone who is a survivor, family member or a supporter of victims of sex abuse by clergy, to attend our monthly support meeting on Monday evening, Feb 11th at 6-8pm. The location will be at the Cambridge Library, Crossroads Branch. This is a confidential self help group meeting. A great opportunity to meet others who have been through the same ordeal, and to obtain healing. We all need each other, and it helps to know that you definitely are not alone. Judy 636-433-2511
# Posted By Judy Jones | 2/1/08 10:16 PM
Judy Jones's Gravatar Silence.... about the housekeepers: Back in Woodsfield, in 1985, when Fr Brown retired, a brand new house was built for him out in the country area where my grandma used to live. When he moved out of the St Sylvester's parish rectory, several parish women went there and cleaned the rectory for the new priest to live in. When they were there cleaning, to their shock, they knew